Catfish & Serial Killers Part 2

I did not expect to be blogging about serial killers this soon.  The subject needs much more discussion before jumping into how the internet is now part of modus operandi. But for reasons I am about to explain, I felt this blog needed to be done now, while it is happening. So let’s dive in, shall we?

Killers now shop on craigslist, they have Facebooks, and they may very well be reading this blog.  For examples of this we could look to the cases of Philip Markoff, Richard Beasley, Christopher Jordan Dorner, Mark Dizon, and the list goes on, but as I have mentioned, the case that I want to discuss here, is The Long Island Serial Killer. It is a case that has long puzzled me. And lately it is haunting me.

From the moment I saw the news in December 2010 about bodies of 4 women being found and a possible serial killer being involved I was drawn to the story. At the time I did not know anything about Shannan Gilbert, but that soon changed. Through out the next year more bodies would be found and when 48 hours aired a story on it, I watched in disbelief. Here again is a link to that story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7373142n

Or if you prefer to read:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-57344731/murder-or-accident-how-did-shannan-gilbert-die/

The story of Shannan Gilbert  death is disturbing to me for many reasons. And  I will get to some of them, but for those who do not know the story and didn’t click on one of the links above I also need to summarize her story. But before I do that, I feel that something needs to be said in behalf of the victims and their families. Shannan Gilbert, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello,  and Jessica Taylor were taken from this world much to early in the course of their lives and in a way so terrible, words are at a loss. This of course is the same for the unidentified victims. Friends and families lives were also destroyed. This is often lost in all the madness involved in such cases, as I know they will be here. So  as we go forward remember them all, the victims and their families. Our sympathy, prayers, and hope that this case or cases are solved, soon, is whats most important here.

The story of Shannan Gilbert is the kind of murder mystery that seems made for T.V. crime dramas. There are plenty of characters, most of them dripping in suspicion, and plenty of surprises all through it. As with the other identified victims, Shannan was an escort who listed her services on craigslist. Shortly after midnight on May 1st 2010, Shannon Gilbert and her driver Michael Pak left New York City and headed to a gated community in Oak Beach, Long Island.  Around 2 a.m. she enters the house of Joseph Brewer, a client she is said to have met through craigslist. Three hours later she is running down the streets of this gated community yelling into her cell phone at a 911 operator that “They” were going to kill her.  She banged on the door of a neighbor who called the police, then she ran off to another house who also called 911. Meanwhile her driver is in his SUV chasing her down. Both are gone by the time police arrive.

Shannon never returns home. Her boyfriend, Alex Diaz  gets in touch with the driver who says she had run off from him and he could not find her. He had figured she had gone home. Both of them head back to the gated community where Pak last saw Shannan on May 3rd. They do not find her and Alex contacts her family to let them know she is missing. At some point someone else contacts Shannan’s family. A man named Dr. Charles Peter Hackett called her mother. What was said during this call depends on who you talk to, Shannan’s mother says the doctor told her daughter was alright and that he was going to be treating her. There is also implications that he might have given her something to calm her down that night. Dr. Hackett says he never met Shannon and though at first denied calling Shannan’s mother at all, he admits he did call her, twice, but only because he had got her number from Pak and Diaz and only called to show his concern for the missing girl. The reason this call is so important, is tha Dr. Hackett lives by the entrance/exit of the gated community right near where Shannon was last seen running.

A missing persons report is filed but it takes Shannon’s family seven months of badgering police before any real search begins. Let’s stop here because so many things already at this point in the case bother me. The police at this point had cleared both Brewer and Pak. Brewer’s story seems patchy, he says she was not there for sex. But she was there for 3 hours, 1 hour longer than was originally planed. At there are stories of infamous parties at Brewster’s house. And although the driver and him both say Shannon was acting strange and ran off for no apparent reason I can’t understand why the driver would leave her to walk home alone. Maybe he was scared of police involvement, which lots of people don’t like, and he was an escort driver. But still to leave her to fend for her self, what kind of man does that? And speaking of police involvement, they were told she ran off into a marsh. Why didn’t they look for her that night? Or more after the missing persons report? She was a missing girl who ran off frightened into a dark marshy area. Why was she not on prime time news every night while police continued to search for her? Did they truly believe she had run out into the marsh and had accidentally died, and if so, why was it not important to find her body?

Well, all that changed in December of 2010, 4 bodies were found during a search for Shannan. None of the bodies found were Shannan’s. They were the bodies of four other girls, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Lynn Costello, all missing escorts. But although police now knew they were dealing with a serial killer, they still believed Shannan’s disappearance was unrelated to the other four girls and that they were sure they would find her and her cause of death would be accidental. WTF! I don’t think I need to explain what I find so disturbing here. But I will say that 2 of the 4 girls went missing after Shannan, which means at least those 2 bodies were left where they were found during a time police, FBI, Etc. should have been searching the area for a missing girl. Get what I’m saying?

Time goes by and body parts are found of at least 5 other victims, one a child. Yet it isn’t till December 6th, 2011 that they find a pair of jeans, a pair of shoes, cellphone, a pocketbook with ID in the pocketbook belonging to Shannan Gilbert.  They were not far from where Shannan was last seen. Why had they not been found earlier? You would think since it was where she was last seen near there that spot would have been searched. Then on December 13, 2011 Shannan’s skeletal remains are found. And though cause of death could not be determined the police still say her death was an accident. We are left with coincidence or conspiracy. But since this case is open and a killer or killers still may be out there, authorities may just not be letting to much of what is really known get out. I had hope this was true because I hate those C words.

Then, last month, as I searched for the latest news on this story, I found an article about Shannan’s mom suing Dr. Hackett for wrongful death of her daughter.

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/11/15/mother-of-woman-found-dead-near-gilgo-beach-sues-doctor/

The Doctor had seemed suspicious to me, but then again so did Brewer and Pak. But all I knew was what I read and watched. And that is all so contradicting (another C word I don’t like, hmm that makes 3). The article was from late 2012 and the case was now beginning so I looked for more info on the court proceedings. I couldn’t find much more on it but I did find a place called longislandserialkiller.com and a group of bloggers and sleuthers who had been following this case much closer than me. All of sudden there was alot of information. So much, it was hard to tell what was real. The first thing I learned was that when a serial killer plays the “Catfish” game, it’s called “Sock Puppets”.

To Be Continued…

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32 Responses to “Catfish & Serial Killers Part 2”

  1. 2 things: 1. Check out Luka Magnotta. He had 70 some odd (that they’ve been able to identify) FB profiles that he created/linked/and regularly used/talked to himself for YEARS before his first (known) murder. He also utilized Wikipedia and YouTube as part of his “sock puppetry”. I actually didn’t know the sock puppet term until coming across the Magnotta case. 2. The link… longislandserialkiller.com, not longbeachkiller 😉

    Otherwise, another great post!

  2. LogicalPsycho Says:

    Zero, I hope you will forgive my lack of knowledge of names/dates etc.
    But exactly how long after Shannons dissapearance were the 2 girls (of the first 4 found) reported missing??

    • Shannon went missing may 1st, 2010
      Megan Waterman went missing on June 6, 2010
      Amber Lynn Costello went missing on September 2, 2010.
      But Amber was never reported missing. is that what you were getting at?

  3. BeachBoy Says:

    The new book about the LISK case features exclusive interviews with Flukeyou and Hackett. lostgirlsbook.com

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  5. Mark Halvorsen Says:

    I have a theory. I think Hackett was at Brewers house for a “party” where they kill escorts. After she escaped Hackett was concerned she told people about the party so he called the mom fishing for clues. I think Shannon was drugged and maybe woke up with the men talking about killing her or what to do about the driver. They didnt kill her cuz of the driver and were concerned about letting her go or what to do next when she escaped. If she had come alone they would have preceded w no problems. Shannon succumbed to the poison or drugs she had been given and drowned after her adrenaline wore off or they found her unconscious and killed her. She might have knocked on Hacketts door for help unknowinly too leading to her death. Hackett moved to Florida after because he was concerned after this close call. Does Brewer or Hackett have a job in NYC or near times square where they could make calls to Gilberts sister anonymously? Brewer and Hackett are guilty IMO. Gilbert saying “THEY” are trying to kill me leads me to believe it was 2 or more men. IMO the police have done a terrible job and should be ashamed. I truly believe I could have solved this case.
    Email me if you have any questions or know anymore about this case. mark.halvorsen@outlook.com

    • This is not a new theory, lots of people think the doc had something to do with this and of course Brewer is the one who with the house she ran from. Still your theory, though popular does not stand when you look at it closer and leave out your biased connections which of course come from that nutty group of Mari’s, or is it Joey or Cristin, or Dorothy… well who ever is considered responsible for that group getting together on this. Give me minute and I will fully explain (again) and tell you what questions you should be asking.

    • First we are gonna start with “they are trying to kill me” the most used line from Shannan’s long 911 call. This is one of the 2 places people really go to about that night. Trouble is we don’t have the whole call, and that is why it is gone back to again and again. Why won’t they just release it, at least to the families. Well I can’t answer for the police and what they did or didn’t do, but I can see why they might not release it. Still, not releasing it caused so much mistrust in the case and left so many questions… But the question of who the “they” was may not be that big of a mystery. Let’s go with what we know for sure, Shannon ran from the house after her driver had got involved in what ever was going on. So she was running from them, Pak and Brewer. This is known and fits both ideas that Shannan might have been confused and thought they were after her or that she had reason to be afraid and thought maybe Pak and Brewer were plotting against her. But the simple answer is the “they” is the pimp and the driver. Never has anyone been able to prove or show others where there at Brewers that night. Maybe there was, but so far, years later, no one coming out about being there or knowing others were there. Why would Pak or Brewer want to cover for other neighbors? Saying others were there could only help them, unless they were afraid of them talking, which I say, well no one has so far.

    • I also need to say something about drug use, especially speed. I’ve got plenty of experience in the drug scenes I’ve said that before. And one of the top things people using speed and going without sleep experience is this idea that people are trying to kill them.They convince themselves people are out to kill them. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it does fit.

      • Agrred about speed…What bothers me, is that Gus said she seemed ‘drugged’, like she was on downers…Still proves nothing, and as you said, she may have been spun before some kind of date rape drug was given to her…ALL SPECULATION…ALL been discussed to death…

      • Yes, and any drug given without knowledge to the one taking it can have all sorts of different reactions on someone, I know of this personally. Plus if someone suffers from other mental issues such as personality disorders etc, any drug can have effects that you would not expect. Speed can bring some people down, it did for me. As you said Linda it’s all been discussed. What drugs were used and if Shannan was given something she didn’t know about can only be discussed in speculation at this point. People need to stick to what is known and what can be answered and go from there, I hope fbi or a new detective gets in there and starts from the beginning.

    • I will also point out that people can take advantage of this. People in the drug scene are like that and if they see someone freaking out, they may say and do suspicious things to mess with them.Brewer definitely seems like the type of person to do that to someone. It’s messed up but people are messed up

    • Now on to Hackett. To follow your thoughts, Hackett was at the party and either left before Shannan started freaking out and wanting to leave or he quickly high tailed it home to hopefully catch her knocking at his door. Yea that is a convenient chain of events and I just have to point out, that could work for any one in the neighborhood and first off we have to have anyone willing to say others were at Brewers house, well anyone other than Flukyou, but I really don’t need to say that do I. So if anyone was at brewer again why is Pak not trying to get that truth out there, it would have only helped him. No proof anyone else was there. Though that doesn’t mean no one was, but makes your theory less believable and totally unprovable if NO ONE has said others were there.

    • Then there is the whole some one gave her drugs part, which brings me back to the drug scene… if Shannan was on something, her actions that night were hindered. Also again I say, druggies like to snitch on each other. Someone would be coming clean to cover their own ass if there is any knowledge that someone in that neighborhood regularly dealt brewer or others drugs.

    • Now before I finish I have to bring up 2 things you mentioned that just needs something said… one on law enforcement doing a terrible job. This may be true, it may also be true that police or high officials don’t want it solved and are purposely misleading the case. But so far no proof to any of that either. They may very well be doing all they can, and people close to this case have told me they are. This case has many problems, one of which is so many saying they know who the killer is or that they could solve this case easily. Yea you see where I’m going with this, correct?

    • As for the phone calls to Mari, this is really what ties the doc and makes us all question his honesty. And if the phone calls were brought up right away they might hold more to them, but they wern’t. They were brought up later and both sides of that conversation have admitted to not being sure what was talked about. There are questions about how many calls Mari received and who was behind all of them. And they weren’t really pushed tell after someone else started really pushing the stories on the doc. Yes Flukeyou again… But hey if you even looked up half the stuff I have or talked to only some of the people I have, you’d know that. And maybe you wouldn’t be so sure you had all the answers to this case.

      • Alfred Calero Says:

        I have never been clear on how Dr Hackket got Shannon’s number within a couple of days of her missing?

      • Pak and Shannan’s boyfriend went to Oak Beach the following few days after that night, speaking to people and thanding out fliers with phone numbers to call.

    • One last thing on this, and I could probably go on for a much longer time both agreeing and disagreeing on the docs involvement, brewers obvious connection, or Pak’s questionable actions, but I doubt anything new could be discovered and I really doubt you could solve the case. But I will bring up a couple questions that should be asked by anyone looking at this case… first off, Shannan’s jacket. It has been said to have been seen closer to where Shannan disappeared but then later found in Brewers driveway. Why isn’t this talked about more? Who saw the jacket, when and where? If evidence was being messed with from the beginning… well that is important I would think. And if Pak and Brewer were outside with Shannan when she ran off, what happened in that time she ran down to Gus’ house, while Gus called 911. Pak drives up after all this. What was he doing, talking to Brewer? Checking out a party? I mean Shannan was on foot and Pak was driving, what took him so long to get to the front of Gus’ house?

      • Allgreat questions, and some of us have discussed them…The last, and most reliable sourece told me: Gus saw Shannon wearing, the jacket is found on Brewrers front ‘lawn’?? NOW, from what im told, that evidence has gone miissing???!!!!!!

      • I heard close to the same… to me it’s stuff like this that can be answered other looked into, or at leasr could have.

    • Of course there are lots of questions like these that as far as I know have not been answered, but then again, I’m not involved in the case and do not have all the information others might and therefore would never try to imply I can or will solve this case. Those of you who keep doing so puzzle me as much as the case itself.

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  7. I believe Hackett had contact with Shannan. How did he get her mother’s number? Am I saying he killed her, no. Is it possible? Sure. Also, I thought you were rather dismissive of another poster’s opinion about a party at Brewers house that Hackett or others could have been there. First, just because PaK did not see anyone inside the house, does not mean no one else was there. I do not believe Pak entered every room of Brewer’s home. Also, if it were neighborhood men at this party, it would have been quite easy to have walked to Brewer’s and waited for the girl to show up. Pak would not have seen any other cars. I don’t think this is what happened, but the notion that just because Pak saw no one else, doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been other people there. Also, who says Hackett’s encounter (or last encournter) with Shannan happened by stubling onto his porch? We simply do not know, and quite frankly cannot believe anything Hackett says. We simply don’t know the extent of Peter Hackett’s involvement with Shannan that night precisely because he has lied about it. He told neighbors (and not flukeyou’s family) he did she Shannan and he told her mother he saw her. Then he denied ever speaking to her mother. Then he admitted to calling her, but denied the content of the conversation. Because he seems to have a problem with the truth, he cannot be ruled out as involved. You have a great blog/website here, but why are you so arrogant when speaking to others? If you are sure what happened, by all means, put it out there.

    • I would love to reply to this without sounding arrogant, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Let’s start off with the fact you mentioned Flukeyou (I think that’s says it all right there. Just so you know, it is Flukeyou who claims to know about a party at Brewers that night and who was there, and yet Fluke won’t say who was there, just clues and innuendos. Also Fluke and his family are the only ones to say Hachette said anything about seeing Shannan, yes there is lots of he said she said on this subject, but it all comes from Fluke and family, go ahead, find anyone but the Scalises’ who claim to have any info on that night which involves the Doc or other neighbors.But let’s get around your Fluke obsession (just a joke, everyone is obsessed with Fluke in some way) and talk about the things you say about me, this blog, and those who come here. I have never stopped questioning the Docs involvement, have you read any my blogs or were you just pointed to my world to talk trash and support Junior? No need to answer that, since your last sentence says “If you are sure what happened, by all means put it out there”. Um, I said from day one I was not sleuthing or solving anything, just questioning those who claim to know the truth and yet speak in half truths and riddles. If you read even a couple of my posts you’d know I’m not a Hackett supporter and I tell everyone, if you know something, don’t waste (spelled right) time on internet blogs, go to police,FBI, or media, not a guy from Vegas writing a blog about his own perception of what he has seen people write on the internet.this is not the place for answers , but a place that questions those who claim to know the answers and yet years later, stories are still being made up (including some doozies about me) and nothing people like Flukeyou, Truthspider, and DPH has ever shown to be true or lead anyone anywhere. See we agree there and yet you write as if it is I spreading stories or claiming I have answers, this blog and none that came after that claim to know what happened. So I suggest you read more of my blogs before commenting again. That’s not to arrogant, is it? Oh well, ither way I see you already commented again. Let’s go see what other nice things you have to say about me and my blogs.

  8. Kail sahjaza Says:

    Myself the doctor did it.plan and simple. I bet he did them all.look at him.hes still free practicing still.

    • I dont know if you can say plain and simple… there are lots of questions still and some things point at the doc while others point different ways. Still in my beliefs from what I have read and seen and heard from those who might know… the Doc at the very least might have been supplying friends and neighbors with drugs… the type of drugs becomes a very important issue when looked into…. I wish at least that question would be looked into more seriously… But it seems that everyone in LI is more worried about what skeletons might fall out of their own closets then solving the LISK case and getting justice for the victims and their families.

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